To your current holy raiding priests

[Ertain]

Hi,

I hope Im not intruding on these forums by doing so but I am here to ask a few questions. My character is Ertain from Lightninghoof. I am interested to know why you are stacking so much haste? I was always told haste = horrible for holy and was wondering why you guys were stacking it. I am always looking to improve my char in any way shape or form and would love to hear some responses.

Thanks in advance,

Ertain

[Lawliepop]

well i mean generally i think we all share the philosophy that you only want mana regen to the point that you are comfortable. we aren't interested in never having to even think about mana and staying at like 80%+ (that's why we don't stack a lot of int any longer). So once we feel comfortable there we tend to expand our horizons out into what we feel will increase our healing ability. we commonly call it hps or throughput, but i guess that's not exactly the best description. If you're actually looking to increase your hps haste is not theoretically the best stat is generally spell power. But what exactly is the point of healing anyway? it's not to put out the best hps numbers; it's to make sure no one is going to die. When you actually look at the statistics and parses behind deaths most of the time people don't die b/c they could/should have been healed for 1k more or anything of that nature. In raid healing situations people die b/c they don't get heals. The stat that is most likely going to improve that is absolutely haste in my opinion. I could see myself changing my mind or switching back to more spell power depending on how icecrown dmg is implemented. If i find myself nonstop casting with very insignificant overhealing b/c the dmg on the raid isn't limited...i think spell power could be the better way to go. But as for right now people are taking very small limited amounts of dmg, and not being put in situations where raid healers need to maximize literal hps. the situation seems to be more like raid healers need to stabilize someone asap in the worst scenarios, and from there it's pretty easy. great examples are like penetrating cold (which you really don't need haste for anyway, lol) or napalm shell -people are only at risk of dying if they don't get a fast initial heal.

But i could be completely wrong.

[Firstaidspec]

Holy shit wall of text Lawlie!

But yeah, pretty much what she said. I think most of us were stacking Intellect at the beginning of ToC, but it just got to be stupid even with hardmodes. Spamming heals for 5 minutes straight and still having like a full mana bar left without popping a Mana Potion yet doesn't prove anything to anyone: it means we have too much regen and/or mana. I don't want to speak for all of us, but I can say now that I'm at a very comfortable balance between having the mana for proposed Icecrown hardmodes, and having a ridiculous amount of throughput through Haste and SP.

I'm also going to have to agree with "why people die." I can't think of the last time someone died because my heal wasn't 1-2k stronger. It's always that I was mid-heal on someone else, or I just couldn't heal that one person fast enough. Haste solves both those situations. Having a Flash Heal that's closing in on 1.0 seconds and having it hit for 10k+ is just too delicious to pass up for spot-healing and whack-a-mole.

But, I could be wrong too. I love discussing this stuff, so feel free to be vocal about disagreements ^^

[Camcorder]

Yeah that's all lies! They do it to spam Mind sear faster.

[Firstaidspec]

Yeah that's all lies! They do it to spam Mind sear faster.

Way to reveal critical guild secrets.

[grunz]

Haste lets us res faster after Freya is done.

[Camcorder]

Yeah that's all lies! They do it to spam Mind sear faster.

Way to reveal critical guild secrets.

It's OK, I'm a protected informant - you'll never get to me!

[Ertain]

Im going to have to try haste and see how it goes. I generally never go out of mana unless im just spamming PoH on like heroic Valks but even then its easy to manage. My next question has to be this. Why the varying specs between you 2 holy priests? One of you takes body and soul and doesnt take healing prayers? My thought on holy was that we were raid healers more or less? Has that changed? I know we CoH pretty often but I figured on AE intensive raid healing we were pretty top notch in that situation with PoH.

[diggz]

Leave the raid healing to disc priests and resto druids dont worry ;p

[Lawliepop]

Healing prayers is just a mana issue, and i don't use it as much in toc other than twins. if toc raid dmg were more like ulduar raid dmg i would likely have it. the more we outgear a raid the less poh we end up using, and more flash i find.
Body and Soul... i absolutely love and could never live without. idk about aids.

[Firstaidspec]

Healing prayers is just a mana issue, and i don't use it as much in toc other than twins. if toc raid dmg were more like ulduar raid dmg i would likely have it. the more we outgear a raid the less poh we end up using, and more flash i find.
Body and Soul... i absolutely love and could never live without. idk about aids.

I have aids, my opinion is invalid.